Travel card + extension

Thodarrou53

Hello everyone,

I have a question regarding a ticket purchase.
I have a monthly point to point travel card from Geneva to Morges.
On some days I need to go to Renens or Lausanne and I take a train that skips Morges. Do I have to buy the entire journey again? Or can I buy a ticket covering Morges to my final destination although the train doesn’t stop in Morges.

I have been controlled on board SBB and I had no issues once and another time a controller telling me it’s not possible.

Although I hope that the above strategy works as paying for an entire journey does not make sense to me knowing my travel card should cover for part of my journey (and is already quite expensive!)

Thank you all 🙂)

Danhiel

Hello Thodarrou53

I think that it is allowed, but I’m not 100% sure.

Tariff T601

3.1.5 Titres de transport de raccordement pour titres de transport du trafic direct national

3.1.5.1 Comme titres de transport de raccordement pour titres de transport du trafic direct national, on peut émettre des titres de transport du Service direct national et des titres de transport communautaires.

Google Translation:

3.1.5 Connecting tickets for national direct traffic tickets

3.1.5.1 National Direct Service tickets and Community transport tickets may be issued as connecting tickets for national direct traffic tickets.

The French version is “titres de transport”; it means also a travel card and not only a ticket.

The point to point travel card from Geneva to Morges is a National Direct Service ticket. A Mobilis ticket Morges - Renens or Lausanne (Community transport ticket) may be issued according to the tariff.

Kind regards
Danhiel

Tafunge25

Hello Thodarrou53

I think there was the same question once on the community but I could not find it again.

I am very certain that you can combine it if you combine it with another point-to-point ticket, i.e. if your onwards journey leaves the Mobilis area. Two point-to-point tickets can always be comined, even if the train doesn’t stop.
If you stay within the Mobilis area, I believe to have seen it before that it can be comined but I am not entirely sure. I’ll allow myself to ask @RolandP to confirm this to be absolutely sure.

Danhiel

Thodarrou53

SBB chatbot response:

If your train skips Morges, the destination of your Point-to-Point Travelcard, you are effectively traveling beyond the valid route of your travelcard. In this case, you need to purchase a ticket for the section of the journey not covered by your travelcard.

This means you can buy a ticket from Morges to your final destination (e.g., Renens or Lausanne), even if the train does not stop in Morges. The ticket will still be valid for the journey.

RolandP

Hello Thodarrou53

Yes it is possible.

In theory, you can combine two national SBB tickets even if the train does not stop. Same using a point-to-point travel card: you can combine it with another national ticket even if the train does not stop.

Now, the issue is that Morges - Renens gives you a Mobilis ticket, not a national ticket. However, since you cannot purchase other than a Mobilis ticket, the combination is still possible. In this case the point-to-point travel card is considered the main ticket while the regular Mobilis ticket is its extension.

@Danhiel gave you the correct paragraph from the tariff 601.

Kind regards,
Roland

Tafunge25

Hello Thodarrou53

Yes, there is. It has already been cited by my colleague Danhiel : Section 3.1.5 of fare regulation T601. If you tell the conductor that, he should hopefully agree with you. I think showing him this very discussion might possibly already be convincing enough.

RedBaron

Hallo Thodarrou53
If the situation would be the other way around, so you would have some Mobilis travel card for Lausanne - Morges and occasional trips to Geneva: If using an Intercity train not stopping in Morges, then you would need an ‘extension’ ticket from the last stop within the Mobilis area to Geneva (= Renens).

That’s the reason for all the confusion.

Thodarrou53

Thank you all so much for your answers! 🙏🏼 Really appreciated.

If an train controller tells me again that it’s not possible, is there any documentation or proof I could show to support my case? Since I need to travel this route once a week, I’d like to minimize hassle while staying within the legal requirements. 😄😄